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hello hello alex oliver here this says the reunion of the dnn monthly chats or |
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as my buddy joe says whatever happened to those clowns |
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and for with me i have joe craig scott wilkinson mike meltzer and a special |
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guest dave poindexter um let's start i guess that before we |
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catch up before each one of us has a chance to to talk about our own stuff |
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i think that it's fair to start with the with with the common grounds of what |
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brought us all together initially and still is our i'd say our linchpin let's |
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put it this way about the union you know let's let's talk a little bit about dean let's start there before before we go around |
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and for that topic it's one of the the reasons why i have |
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this special guest here because i know that our special guest is still very connected to the community |
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and i would like to invite to ask david how is everything in |
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let dna see um let me kind of look at a few sites here real quick anderson i don't know |
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i can i can step back i can be more specific what has been happening with dnn |
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you can you can pick the time frame but my curiosity is about the last two and a half years because |
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we have stopped doing the recordings and been more active at least myself in the past two and a half years so |
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mid 2019 again i don't expect you to record oh mid 2019 it was just like this |
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but think about the recent i'd say the recent months and how are things |
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doing with dna well first of all i think things are going really great i was just joking by the way |
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i feel like really you know i guess there's different aspects of it there's the technical aspect of it |
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and i can touch on that for just a second but you know really at a 30 000 foot level i think |
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you know you remember i don't know maybe four years ago or so um we were all wondering |
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is dn going to live is it dying is you know what is going on you know what what |
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should we should we be looking elsewhere you know i mean it was a common conversation right |
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um it shifted big time you know it took a long time |
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to really shift but it has shifted and it's been in a what i would call the last two years has been a more stable |
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state um because from a technology standpoint there's been constant releases |
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a stability of the platform security has been top of mind so you |
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know getting us to a point to where we're really more stable as a platform |
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and um have more confidence in utilizing it on sites |
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and the community i think is actually growing |
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um that's maybe a bit of a stretch you know from |
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probably because i hear a lot more um you know behind the scenes people talking and things like that but it's |
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like there's there seems to be people coming out of the woodwork that |
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were either a part of the platform a long time ago you know or the community a long time ago and have now found |
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themselves attracted back in because of that stability and that focus on security |
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or they uh you know there's new people that have landed in a job that they've inherited aside or something like that i |
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mean i've just seen a lot of activity that just was not there you know four |
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years ago at least we didn't know about it right um so i'm encouraged at the state of dnn |
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you know and where things are got it's got again guys feel free to drill david there but i i have a |
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follow-up here david is that question of oh are we moving to core are we not |
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moving to court is that question still relevant or not no that's not really relevant anymore i |
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mean of course it may be in some people's minds but we i guess it was |
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maybe a little over a year ago maybe a year and a half ago now we have actually published a few blogs |
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out there um mitch sellers and myself published a blog that really |
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was kind of a recognition of who we are and who we're going to be who we're not |
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going to be and that conversation really it wasn't really a decision that we made |
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per se it was really a decision that was made for us by microsoft just because of |
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the path that they took with net core and some of the things that we would not |
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have the option of doing like we hoped or thought originally |
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for some of that so um it was really just let's put this conversation to rest because it's |
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distracting you know we can't it's it's a solid platform as it is |
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on asp.net and asp.net has a longer you know life cycle than net core just |
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because of the way things work you know it's it's a much faster paced |
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framework so you know it was really just a coming coming to ourselves recognizing who we |
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are and who we're gonna be who we're not gonna be and just moving forward with that embracing that |
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you know maybe there's a path in the future i mean there's other projects that are on net core that are succeeding |
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and doing really well i mean our friends sean walker you know in octane they're doing well you know it's still early in |
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that game but that's what that platform is we're not that |
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you know so just recognizing that and if somebody really wants that they could go there you know and |
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explore that in in again i'm even though i'm into the microsoft space |
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but i don't know the nitty-gritty details the ins and outs of for example if we look at |
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asp.net does microsoft promise or there is really a long-term |
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vision for asp.net i mean a long term at the very least maintenance of asp.net |
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do you know that i mean i would say so it's much longer than the vision that they state for net core i mean |
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we have to be careful when reading that stuff you know because it doesn't mean that things are going to |
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end at that point it just means we're going to have support at least to that point |
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and that goal post is much further down the pike you know for |
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asp.net than it is.net core okay so we're gonna we're gonna go back to you david in a second again i want to |
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go back to a few more points about dna but i want to give a chance first of all |
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to see if anyone has any pointers back to david for about the end but i'm going to reconnect with dna again there are a |
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few other topics that i want you to get david's opinion anyone for david this point |
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well that was easy okay that's what makes sense okay so uh scott let's start with you then |
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tell me what you have been up to in the last two years again just recapping oh boy we have stopped this |
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uh for two and a half years now you know mid-2019 so |
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tell me what's new what's wonderful what's happening with you professionally let's not go personal yet |
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you know i have a segment for personal but professional you know oh professionally okay well uh it's hard to |
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it's hard to uh uncouple the two for me but okay um because my personal stuff will |
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be professional i guess you know that and that and vice versa but i |
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i left uh around this time last year uh i left blue bowl but i didn't really leave so for the |
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developers out there i did a soft leave or whatever you want to call it so i |
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still i still have like a perpetual contract with them and do some consulting but um |
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yeah i don't know i just i just felt like i needed a little more um a little more room to do personal |
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projects and other things like that but um i i uh so i you know you guys know i started |
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that youtube channel which you know is a kind of a side a little hobby thing but that hobby is kind of you know |
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eventually going to be my uh probably my um retirement pre-retirement |
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job that's what i'm i'm i'm working up to my pre-retirement that's how that's how it's going to work now from |
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now on you don't just retire you you work up to a pre-retirement career and then you use that |
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to retire off of the launch pads as a lunch pad you know launch pad of retirement and and if you guys know me i |
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i like like adderson i can't sit still so it's not like i'm gonna just sit around golfing |
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uh but i did some consulting i actually got a contract last year doing initially |
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doing dnn and azure stuff and then it morphed into salesforce so |
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the reason why you haven't heard from me in the dna community lately is because i'm kind of now a full-time sales force |
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developer uh so that's just kind of ended up |
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happening but um uh now i'm working full-time at a contract for a uh |
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an insurance company in in chicago uh that doing salesforce development but i'm i'm working from home but eventually |
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i want to get to the point where i'm not i love my my hermann miller chair don't get me wrong but uh my issue is i don't |
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like sitting for eight hours a day and i'm trying to get out of that so eventually |
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maybe i'll be doing more of my youtube type stuff you know |
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and and and develop doing that kind of stuff as well as software development but for now i'm |
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still a fourth time software developer i haven't gone completely insane yet despite the way i look so so |
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that's been it okay so when you talk about salesforce and then you find |
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i'm saying not a similar community but did you find a community there that you can hang on that you can |
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chat that you can talk i mean did you find that kind of a thing there and salesforce oh there definitely is |
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there's a huge community and sub communities and meetups and all that other stuff i haven't really worked into |
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it i don't know it's it's not really my dnn i i |
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felt like i needed to because it's an open source project and and and and it's |
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fun and and it's and that's what i wanted to do but for salesforce it's just so big and i don't know i my my |
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attitude now is i want to you know i want to do a good job because i always want to do a good i want to do good for |
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the company i work for but my vested interest in salesforce is not what my interest in dnm |
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it's not the same awesome awesome okay we're going to go come back to you but but we're going to |
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explore that youtube channel in a second i'm very curious about that let's let's go around |
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uh let's go mike let's go what's up two last two years actually you know |
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something that i forgot to me to to to add to the conversation as well is covet |
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has happened in the last two years now at this point in time so again a big part of our last two and a half |
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years was within the context of covet so mike again last two years what's up |
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where where dnn is in your life at this point where are you yeah um |
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i guess from that from a dnn standpoint like i'm uh i'm not involved nearly as much as i i have in the last few years |
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in using dna professionally or or from a community aspect you know to your point like when when government |
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happened a few years ago that was um i was at dna summit i believe like a week before two |
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before that and that was a you know great conference has made a lot of |
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networking and new people that i've never met before and then boom we had uh had a pandemic happen |
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and at the time you know i was um i do consulting uh i have been for last |
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uh you know eight or nine years and um all of a sudden you know all kinds of you know companies i've been |
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working with were going a different direction right like hey the world's flipping upside down you know we're not |
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to do that project now we're not going to go down this path right now a lot of things started to kind of come to a halt |
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and um i also had a little girl who's now three and uh my attention started getting |
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pulled in in different directions and trying to figure out what to do um so i had to pivot a couple years ago and |
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you know most my customers are local local customers um here in canada and i started doing uh |
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custom like custom.net apps not not on dnn but just kind of you know |
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native vanilla you know.net solutions for some of our local government uh entities |
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here and that ended up you know going down another path being for the last two years of building a solutions to help um |
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to help governments get out of um or you know digitally transform you know take manual |
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processes and put them online and uh and improve things and then you know maybe |
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four or five different projects i think kind of just end to end started you know going over that and |
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yeah when you have a little kid and you're working all the time it's hard to fit in much more |
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that's very true virtue you know guys i have to say the other day a few months ago i sent a you know a very interesting |
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job opportunity for our friend mike and he said man thank you but no thank you no i mean i'm |
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too busy i don't need anything else right now you know kind of like snobbish |
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but that's why that's why i'm joking about it yeah no no i don't hear you it's uh i i've uh i've been |
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fortunate the last last last little while that there's been a lot of a lot of work coming coming our |
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way uh locally and uh more and more like i work independently um and then also do |
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some subcontracting um but you know more than more than we have resources to take |
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on which is you know the lost opportunity um but you know i t is booming in a lot of |
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places i think and i wish i could clone myself yes i know i know the feeling like okay |
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mike again coming back to you in a second but let's go for |
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i don't know should i say the godfather i mean is that is that what scribe godfather you know kiss the ring you |
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know i kind of kind of think you know again joe how are you doing tell me about the last two years come on |
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well that that was a nice way of saying the old guy uh um yeah like mike uh you know my my last |
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story into the real world was dnn summit in orlando |
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and i came home uh |
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and i think i went to the uh i i think i came home on on thursday night |
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uh went to the office on friday and never went back |
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yeah that's kind of a dramatic reading of it i mean for you know i've been |
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working a lot from home doing my dnn consulting but uh |
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so last fall i actually made a |
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a change uh and uh have a full-time employer |
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uh in uh the dnn world um |
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um and i you know and in the modern world you don't actually work for the company |
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that you're working for you know there's a there's a third party involved that pays your salary and sells |
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your body uh but you but you tend to forget that you don't work for those well it's |
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called it's all it can also be called a pimp you know but that's fine that's okay yeah yeah so um so i'm actually |
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working for a uh large company uh |
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and you would recognize some of the names of the people uh involved in that |
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company and i was actually uh when i interviewed for the job uh i |
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was interviewed by the godfather of our world |
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and um uh the team that i joined was in the |
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midst of some uh changes he has uh |
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people rolling off and people coming in and yet several months later |
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uh we actually have a team that's that's |
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got some impressive dnn experience the job the job is working on uh |
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an enterprise level set of dnn things and like everybody in the world is |
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involved in it uh but uh yeah i probably since we're we are |
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recording this right or whatever and i won't mention uh names and companies |
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and things like that but um uh yeah it's it's really interesting uh |
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as as this team has developed somebody deserves some credit for going out and |
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hiring some really good |
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uh experienced talent in the dnn field you know so i'm i'm really excited about |
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that um yeah i used to work at the low end |
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you know small small customers uh small things uh you |
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know a small to medium-sized company's website |
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and i'm now working on websites that have presences from |
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new england to texas to california yeah um uh |
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so it's it's i'm seeing it i'm seeing a different uh uh side of things and and and that's |
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interesting uh meanwhile i'm waiting for scott to get his uh van |
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electrified so yeah it's it's yeah and |
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uh all of this done from the chair that i'm sitting in right now |
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so um my wife and i have not heard one another |
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it will be nice at some point to actually be able to see children and grandchildren again uh |
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although we we back in june i'm getting into the personal yes yes |
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i'll stop that so professionally yeah i'm still very heavily involved in dnn |
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and involved in the side of the dnn uh universe that's |
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quite different than what i have done before okay okay so joe i have i have a |
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question i'm really curious i think that you can help me here you can really help me here uh |
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i er i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna be as |
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subtle or tactical touching this subject as possible but it boils down to age it |
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boils down to reinventing yourself so i'll be honest with you i'm very |
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i'm very i'm in a way worried about how long how how much energy and for how long |
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do i have energy to keep in this space you know and sometimes i think that by 55 i'm going to be dragging myself in |
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like on the ground i'll be crawling i'm not even just sleep anymore my question |
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is how can you keep up the the interests the motivation |
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uh the energy level with technology that you have and again |
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feel free to reveal what where you are i don't want to be the one doing that but |
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how do you do that i mean how how do we recommend someone that wants to stay active for as long as we can |
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and i don't force i had i have a hard time from missing myself at uh |
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sexting being able to keep going what do i do what do you say |
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well i was i actually wanted to say something about scott's comment about |
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you know his his pre-retirement job and things like that um |
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i don't picture myself not working um |
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and yeah that's been very i think that's actually been very very helpful |
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um during the last two years that i actually uh did not have to make as big an |
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adjustment in my working style uh as i thought i was yeah as it could |
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have happened uh and and maybe maybe part of that answer |
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was in the uh 2004-2006 [Music] |
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time frame uh i kind of got forced into |
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uh into looking for a new job you know when |
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the one that i had uh disappeared uh and |
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uh what i did at that point was uh i wasn't sure what i wanted what i wanted to look for |
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uh yeah whereas you know the previous umpteen years if i change jobs it was you know pretty |
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much in the same general field you know it was a |
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scientific r and d but a lot of it based around um |
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modeling analysis uh data analysis and so forth but |
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in that same time period i was involved |
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with a volunteer organization and one of the things that that i had |
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done uh was launched that organization's first |
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website in 1995 actually on the day that windows 95 was launched |
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coincidentally that's why we couldn't hire the rolling stones because microsoft had already |
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booked them um but uh so out of that um there was an |
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opportunity while i tried to figure out what to do to uh do some consulting for a company that made |
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software that was sold to the members of that organization |
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and so in that process one friday afternoon |
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i followed a footnote in some stuff that i was looking at that said this product |
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you're using can also be there's a wrapper that you can stick it |
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into dnn or net nuke at the time and |
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by monday this was three o'clock on a friday afternoon by |
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monday i had solved most of the problems i've been struggling for the previous six |
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weeks yeah i needed things like some a custom authentication provider and i |
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needed a skin but i had the functionality |
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except for those two things of the actual website and when i found out that |
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it was very difficult to hire people to do what i needed to do at the end i said i bet i'm not the only |
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person with a small web problem using dnn and so i decided to |
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become the person that could help people like myself uh coincidentally at the same around the |
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same time well i had subscribed to a website uh called dnn creative |
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magazine and uh lee sykes who ran |
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that put up a note one day that said i can't produce content if i have to |
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answer all the questions on the forum i'm looking for somebody to to help answer questions |
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then i wrote him a note and i said hey i'll do that and |
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and i think the deal was something like uh he'd pay me five dollars an answer |
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not to exceed 20 answers in a week okay |
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and uh um so i only build them for 20 answers a |
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week but i answered a lot more questions um |
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a couple of years pass and |
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we sold the indian creative magazine and i |
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think it went was that when it went to managed um or or didn't go to manage it went to power |
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d and in and i think by the time that dnn created kind of um |
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toward the end of andy's tenure of being the content producer for that |
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i think on the forums i had answered something like 11 000 questions and it was probably more than that |
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so that was my um kindergarten undergraduate and |
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postgraduate education in.net nuke because you wouldn't believe the kind of things |
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that people had done to it and they needed help undoing what they had |
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done so yeah i uh i joked at one point that uh |
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um there was no dnn website that i couldn't upgrade |
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well that that's actually not true um i was |
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from about 2015 until late last year |
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i was working with a guy and you vomit i don't think anderson has but some of you |
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have met him he was at uh he was at dnn summit in orlando but |
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they had the most complicated convoluted screwed up |
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ill-conceived website with |
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in excess of 50 custom modules and we got it |
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we got it up to to dnn8 and it could have gone to dnn9 but uh |
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they decided last year to get out of the business which explained why they hadn't |
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wanted to put a lot of energy into the upgrade for a couple of years but uh so so jose uh so joe i'm gonna ask in |
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summary the secret is dot dot dot in five words uh do what you like doing |
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okay yeah i if i get out of the bed in the morning wanting to get out of the bed |
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do what you like doing that's great |
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that's awesome okay okay let's move forward here a little bit uh david i want to get back to you |
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tell me where is the corp if at all there i mean they did that it went in |
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thin air i mean did it disappear at union court where's the court the last guy at court showed up on my |
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team this week no actually they just uh so we had a period there you know of of |
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andy triba kind of at the helm whenever they were acquired by esw or ewbs capital |
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um and that lasted for a while and you know and people can say what they want about that |
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period of time but that was key to the transition isn't it wasn't it |
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being really handed over to the kingdom uh you know to the community um and |
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i mean we really have andy to thank for that because he really delivered on what he said from the very beginning |
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uh on that so it was actually even though it was a bit unstable of a time it was a transitional time you know so |
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it was it was good in the end and when he moved on from um from |
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esw i think i said ews sorry i'm getting confused with rap |
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and uh so there was a quiet period of time um you know where they they |
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have now transitioned to a new um new head of that |
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of the dnn court area and he has recently reached out to a few of us and |
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met with us so that you know that we're heading into a new era we'll see what that means i think it's way too early to |
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tell at this point but there was a quite a long period of time where |
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the involvement in the community really just wasn't there we had a link uh really to one or two people |
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in corp and we kept in touch you know with with regular meetings and so forth but there |
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really wasn't a whole lot of you know community involvement if there was an issue in evoke or something like that because |
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it depends on the platform right and there's some things in the platform that are there specifically just for evoke |
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um hopefully that'll change over the future you know but that it's still like that so we would see a pull request |
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every once in a while come in you know to resolve an issue or something that was reported by a client |
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but for a long period of time that was really what it was limited to and in the commercial and evocus is |
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still being actively uh pushed forward or that that project is quite is quiet there depends on what |
| 31:18 |
you mean by actively pushed forward it's still there they are still |
| 31:24 |
collecting license fees for those that are willing to pay |
| 31:29 |
for that but beyond that the actual evolution of the software itself |
| 31:36 |
is not really been happening as a matter of fact they're kind of quite a bit behind now |
| 31:41 |
with platform got it um there's a desire or was a desire i don't know if it's still there or not um was a |
| 31:48 |
desire to get kind of called up you know so that they would be based off of a current version of dnn uh platform but |
| 31:56 |
um they've been behind for quite some time is there at this point david is there |
| 32:01 |
any major milestone coming up i mean is there any something something major |
| 32:07 |
coming out i'm not talking about anymore about you know the corp or evoke i'm talking about the platform is there |
| 32:12 |
anything anything major coming up or is that uh i would say maintenance run-of-the-mill type of process that's |
| 32:19 |
you know you keep fixing things and i mean what is a state right now of what's coming up next you know |
| 32:25 |
yeah i mentioned security earlier kind of being the for for a you know we we all |
| 32:30 |
have experienced the tell what telric woes words today um |
| 32:37 |
um but you know the the the as of 9.8.0 right there's a |
| 32:44 |
ability to optionally remove telerik from platform um following a i think |
| 32:50 |
it's an 18-step process now which is not too bad to do but a lot of people are not not doing it for |
| 32:57 |
whatever reason either they can't because of you know old modules that depend on on |
| 33:02 |
that or so forth but the really the next milestone for us is |
| 33:08 |
9.11 which is a minor release it will kind of |
| 33:13 |
we've broken the rules just a little bit as far as semantic versioning goes on purpose just because |
| 33:20 |
sometimes you have to let practicality win over you know the rules so what we're doing is 9.11 will come |
| 33:27 |
out and it will be for any clean installs of it tailwork will be removed you know |
| 33:34 |
it will not be there as a part of it right out of the box that you don't have to go through any manual steps to remove |
| 33:40 |
it um but if you're upgrading that will be an optional automated removal |
| 33:47 |
um so that that's kind of the next goal post there's a few tasks that still are remaining in order |
| 33:53 |
to be able to do that release and then as soon as that's done beyond any kind of maintenance type you know |
| 33:59 |
releases that'll be after that the next major thing is is vtn so there's a lot |
| 34:04 |
of great ideas on the table for v10 but yeah we're really focused on getting 911 |
| 34:11 |
there because a lot of entities especially in the enterprise level or government entities |
| 34:17 |
need that to be the case for scans and so forth they've now a little bit |
| 34:23 |
on you know your professional personal side there not so much personal but professional from individual native |
| 34:31 |
standpoints new clients new projects they are all built within the platform |
| 34:40 |
no we we really never have been a dnn shop in in in the traditional |
| 34:46 |
sense i mean we do choose to use dnn whenever whenever it's possible so the majority |
| 34:53 |
of our clients do run on dna and whether they know it or not is another conversation but um you know not because |
| 35:00 |
we try to hide it or anything it's just that a lot of our clientele they don't they just want a solution they don't |
| 35:06 |
really care too much about the technology under it they just trust in us to make |
| 35:12 |
sure they're on a system that they can trust um that's not always the case i mean |
| 35:17 |
some of the larger clients obviously care about that kind of thing um but um for the most part we're on dna |
| 35:23 |
and of course we're a full service marketing agency too so a lot of our work is not even dealing with websites you know it's |
| 35:29 |
advertising or branding or you know just stuff like that yeah billboard creation |
| 35:35 |
and things like that uh audio production video production uh fun fun kind of stuff like that of |
| 35:40 |
course we've been doing a lot of mobile app development over the last couple of years and |
| 35:46 |
a lot of times we'll use dnn as the back end for that and i'll be doing a presentation at dna |
| 35:51 |
summit about kind of doing something like that so yeah got it awesome awesome i had a question |
| 35:58 |
but it just left through my mind so i i'll get back to that as |
| 36:03 |
it becomes relevant here that's actually yeah no there's one but i will leave for the next round uh mike let's go back to |
| 36:11 |
you actually you know what before you make i guess that's i'm gonna just do a a two minutes update here of what i've |
| 36:17 |
been doing for the last two years i've been teaching and teaching more and more and more |
| 36:22 |
and i still got a lot of dna actually dnn is still about 25 percent of |
| 36:29 |
my income let's put it is my revenue but uh teach a lot and i've been |
| 36:35 |
a full-time senior for stack developer can you believe that you guys believe that |
| 36:41 |
i hope that my boss doesn't hear that you know but uh for the past few months yeah so |
| 36:47 |
it's been a an interesting journey still struggling with front end but backhand backhand is not that core so it's so |
| 36:53 |
it's all good um so yeah so that's that's my that's my feel for myself here so mike let me get |
| 36:59 |
back to you so what are you looking forward i mean again |
| 37:05 |
professionally speaking what's next what what is your radar there that you are exploring again let let's talk about the |
| 37:12 |
future a little bit here yeah sure um [Music] so yeah so i mentioned earlier i haven't |
| 37:19 |
done consulting um for a while and i've been trying for the last few years to try and figure it away |
| 37:24 |
you know how can i scale that you know to to expand my reach or or what am i |
| 37:30 |
trying to build that into um and last last couple years especially you know last two years and really kind |
| 37:36 |
of playing through those motions like you know what do i want to do when i grow up and uh i'm still trying to figure that out um don't grow up |
| 37:43 |
yeah yeah unfortunately we all do um |
| 37:49 |
but uh so i've been trying to look at some some other product ideas uh that i want to build and and one of the uh the |
| 37:55 |
big things that uh in the applications i've been building the last few years has been a big focus on |
| 38:01 |
um building inclusive applications so you know adaptive user experiences that that will |
| 38:07 |
have you know strong accessibility uh support uh work on mobile work on desktop |
| 38:13 |
and especially on working with some public sector clients like you know you want to reach as many of your of your |
| 38:19 |
clients of your citizens as possible right regardless of what you know kind of medium they're they're trying to use |
| 38:25 |
like i've got a this this is my new dream i've got a dual screen surface duo so like you know i |
| 38:32 |
want to build a mobile app or uh or an app that's you know that that's optimized my two screens um |
| 38:40 |
you know we've got a lot of rural customers rural citizens in in my part of canada nova scotia that don't have |
| 38:46 |
access to super fast high speed internet so making sure you build resilient applications that you know if they go |
| 38:52 |
offline you know aren't going to have someone lose their you know screen that has a hundred |
| 38:58 |
fields on it of data kind of thing and uh so i've been looking at some different oh there you go right yeah anderson anderson's into the technology |
| 39:04 |
too you could have done your whole meeting in that headset adderson yeah actually |
| 39:10 |
the magic display going on no let me tell you let me tell you this week it was very clunky but this week i |
| 39:17 |
didn't buy this by the way it was a very good friend of mine that i worked with him as well he sent me a few a few weeks |
| 39:23 |
ago a new one actually i was meeting them in a virtual reality meeting very |
| 39:28 |
clunky i have to say but it's getting there i mean things are getting there |
| 39:34 |
things will be wrapping up in this kind of platform here i mean i'll tell you guys things will be ranking up here |
| 39:41 |
anyway sorry mike it's okay um i i uh i love i don't have a vr |
| 39:46 |
headset i i would love to have a microsoft hololens that's like an augmented reality headset but they are |
| 39:53 |
way out of my reach um for you know maybe in the future yeah so i'm trying to figure out a way |
| 39:59 |
like how can i take some of these these really you know um say popular but but well real requested |
| 40:07 |
kind of applications and designs and how can i take you know what i'm building right now that's in custom form and try |
| 40:14 |
and abstract that out a little bit so that i can you know build more |
| 40:19 |
uh inclusive applications but more rapidly so we'll |
| 40:26 |
how do you keep the pulse in what's happening to help you make those decisions |
| 40:32 |
um yeah i i love tech like like i'm not like even you know when i'm not working you know i i i like i follow the |
| 40:39 |
microsoft uh you know.net community and a lot of their youtube videos which which are now like they've got some |
| 40:45 |
channels out there with their pumping of content on a weekly basis lots of lots of really cool developments |
| 40:50 |
um with net six and and blazer and uh they've got some new technologies |
| 40:56 |
um done at maui which you know you can build build you know user experiences and uis |
| 41:01 |
that scale natively across you know iphones and macs and linux and desktops and web and |
| 41:08 |
um you know just explore that world a little bit because because that's where a lot of the you know |
| 41:14 |
the big players are pushing their technology for the next 10 15 20 years |
| 41:19 |
and uh so that's what i'm trying to think of like where do i want to be what do i want to be doing in five years and uh you know what things are out there |
| 41:26 |
that can help me do that in kind of the way that that i want to and uh so yeah so right right now i'm |
| 41:32 |
basically trying to build a a component library um of you know you could call them like dnn |
| 41:39 |
modules but you know much smaller little chunks of web pages and try and build |
| 41:44 |
like a building block solution um that's for for for development teams |
| 41:50 |
um you know my own uh specifically but you know that can branch out and help people build accessible |
| 41:57 |
applications because there's a lot of skills that that are missing in in those areas um at least in my location and |
| 42:04 |
you know if you can build something and get it validated that it works uh with a screen |
| 42:09 |
reader you know it works with keyboard navigation it works on my dual screen phone um but you know have some |
| 42:15 |
flexibility for customization to some extent you know you could at least i think um |
| 42:21 |
could help myself rapidly build some of these digital solutions that are getting people off of manual paper processes |
| 42:28 |
um you know small line line of business type solutions um so yeah that's kind of where i'm |
| 42:33 |
going professionally uh in my mind and you know hopefully the next few months i'll uh i'll have some developments |
| 42:39 |
there yeah awesome awesome mike i'll come back to you in a second for |
| 42:44 |
some additional stuff scotty scotty let's talk about scotty scotty the hand |
| 42:49 |
man scotty what's come what's that scotty beam me up beam in the house no |
| 42:57 |
what's coming for me yes oh my gosh yeah i don't know um |
| 43:02 |
so you don't have to talk about your youtube stuff well yes i'm on my second electric vehicle conversion so i sold my |
| 43:09 |
my triumph it was i i just got sick of it being so small and not very economic |
| 43:17 |
you know it's just it's just such a small it's not like two-seater convertible and um you know so i'm like |
| 43:23 |
i i need something i want something big you know so i sold the car in |
| 43:29 |
like two different pieces right i sold the car to somebody who's gonna put a gas engine back into it weirdly enough |
| 43:35 |
and then i sold the electric parts to somebody some other guy who wanted to convert a spitfire and now i'm doing my |
| 43:41 |
volkswagen bus so i'm um restoring it first which is taking all |
| 43:47 |
my time learning to weld and and and do all that stuff like all the stuff i'm |
| 43:53 |
not hiring anybody any of it out so i'm replacing the bearings and doing the brakes and the hydraulics and the welding and i'm actually painting it |
| 44:00 |
this spring so you'll see videos coming out of me trying to you know hvlp spray paint this thing in |
| 44:06 |
a makeshift paint booth that's just going to be uh plastic sheeting all over my garage |
| 44:11 |
so it's going to be that'll be fun uh i want to upgrade my shop i don't |
| 44:17 |
know follow up rail do that i might have to move so that might be coming we'll see okay i have to ask scott i have to |
| 44:22 |
ask i mean what does the better half tell us about this |
| 44:28 |
she thinks i'm nuts i i'm not about to go uh do a a um |
| 44:33 |
one of my fix it scotty i call it on-the-job calls where i do um uh |
| 44:39 |
free maintenance work for people that can't afford it so i'm about to go to gurney which is like 30 miles away and |
| 44:44 |
fix a boiler that went out on some people that you know can't afford to get it fixed right after this call so i'm |
| 44:52 |
i'm doing like my just handyman stuff and you know when when mike gets everyone onto these new vr headsets and |
| 44:59 |
this virtual reality on everyone's on the metaverse i will be the one driving around fixing all of your toilet chairs |
| 45:06 |
you know because these people are going to be sitting on chairs that are also going to be their toilets and i will be the one fixing the plumbing for that so |
| 45:13 |
that's my goal is to support all of your weird you know virtual reality |
| 45:19 |
technology in the future by allowing the biological physical stuff to still work |
| 45:25 |
okay scott scott can you can you stretch your reach a little bit no from chicago to toronto is |
| 45:32 |
not that final maybe you can drop by and fix a few things i have here yeah yeah i |
| 45:38 |
i feel like if i move i'm i keep looking south for some reason i don't know why |
| 45:44 |
but uh it's yeah i'm i i'm not interested in going further north |
| 45:51 |
okay now in a more serious tone what's the goal of the channel i mean do you have any any monetary intentions |
| 45:58 |
there or is that just hobby i mean tell me a little bit about that yeah so i have i don't want to be a professional |
| 46:05 |
content creator i'm not going to be a professional youtuber it is already monetized though i don't know how but |
| 46:11 |
enough people are watching it that i'm actually making money off that channel already um |
| 46:16 |
and uh so no it's more to document my stuff because i i'll go back to |
| 46:22 |
videos i've done in the past and just to look at like oh i i forgot what the the dashboard looked like when i pulled it |
| 46:28 |
out you know so it's really just to document my work and i'm i'm not on facebook anymore i i got rid of that and |
| 46:34 |
that's why the vr headset's been a problem because somebody my friend was like hey i want to play this game with you with the you got to get this headset |
| 46:40 |
but you got to get a meta account and i'm like oh that sounds like facebook um so i don't know maybe i'll i i i'm |
| 46:46 |
not going to get too i'm not going to go too crazy prepper on you guys uh so i'll probably still i |
| 46:53 |
will still i'm on instagram fix it scotty i'm on youtube fix it scotty and |
| 46:58 |
i'm trying to get physics scotty on twitter but some jerk won't let it go and he hasn't used it um so i'm still on |
| 47:05 |
the social medias that way so you can still get a hold of me scott my my 10 year old granddaughter |
| 47:14 |
who uh post things on youtube that yeah only a 10 year old would appreciate |
| 47:20 |
you know nothing more than 30 seconds shot out with a with an iphone |
| 47:26 |
put something up back in november and she got over 50 000 views of the thing |
| 47:33 |
and i i think the previous one getting 50 views was a big deal |
| 47:38 |
but uh you know i have no you nobody knows how or why it happened |
| 47:45 |
and i still know that he's an seo expert no but it was like it was like oh my god |
| 47:53 |
it can happen in your own voice you'll never know you know it can happen awesome okay |
| 47:59 |
uh dave let me stop there on you again tell me a little bit about the i mean |
| 48:04 |
there's a there's a dns summit just around the corner tell me a little bit about that |
| 48:09 |
yeah so um there's a dnn summit 2022 uh in february uh ninth and tenth i believe |
| 48:16 |
it is uh it's coming up it'll be a virtual event they they just recently canceled the |
| 48:22 |
in-person social uh kind of stuff just just because of all that's that's going |
| 48:27 |
on and not a lot of people were committing to that you know for for good reasons uh for that so uh it'll be |
| 48:33 |
virtual again just like it was last year a lot of good speakers and you know what |
| 48:39 |
you would expect as well as a a few new faces in there um and sessions so yeah |
| 48:45 |
it should be should be really good awesome looking forward to it and dandy connect is not too much farther around |
| 48:54 |
the corner um into the summertime june is towards the end of jul june and |
| 49:00 |
beginning of july later later than it has been right yeah yeah and and they're going back to |
| 49:06 |
mio uh france and um that that should be a that'll be a |
| 49:11 |
true dna connect event you know in person personal type thing you know barring no unforeseen you know |
| 49:18 |
challenges uh with code and so forth but uh but yeah they're they're they're ramping up to uh to get started with |
| 49:24 |
that so it should be a good event yeah i i did get an email this week that |
| 49:30 |
had a bunch of really large question marks in it was that more about are we going to fill up the venue or |
| 49:37 |
having the event or both yeah it was more about well they'll have the event regardless i think unless |
| 49:43 |
unless something you know uh public that you know tries to you know shut things down or whatever for whatever reason |
| 49:51 |
but now this was more about could it be a private venue or just an open venue type thing because |
| 49:58 |
i think they have to get to a certain number of attendees in order for it to lock in as an exclusive um you know have |
| 50:06 |
the place to themselves which is normally what they have done in the past but they're reaching that you know |
| 50:13 |
there's so much uncertainty these are different times yeah so i i |
| 50:18 |
think the venue really wants to you know lock that in they're fearing you know so i think you know they want to get you |
| 50:25 |
know some at least commitment from people that uh you know barring no unforeseen issues hey you're planning on |
| 50:30 |
coming so yeah definitely you can uh lock it in as a private event that would be great |
| 50:36 |
just just changing you know a second here just it just came to mind did anyone had uh the covet experience |
| 50:45 |
no oh safe okay good [Music] i'm not talking about i'm not talking |
| 50:50 |
about the the actually getting sick |
| 50:56 |
yeah no um although i did talk to |
| 51:03 |
or exchanged messages the other day with uh one of our one of the dnn community |
| 51:10 |
who's had a couple of cases in their family awesome awesome okay good okay so david |
| 51:17 |
anything about vendors i mean vendors are the same reliable vendors |
| 51:23 |
are still active i'm and i'm talking about things like uh organizations like mendips |
| 51:30 |
or you know dna and sharp or i don't know didn't go or but any |
| 51:36 |
anyone i mean are those vendors and do you have anything to report i would |
| 51:42 |
say in terms of vendors i would say everything's pretty status quo normal except for dna sharp |
| 51:50 |
i mean uh mandeep is still what you would expect and then there i |
| 51:55 |
also have the whole vangero experience that they've been focusing a lot on |
| 52:00 |
which is great for you know people that are looking for that type of solution and |
| 52:06 |
dngo i believe is still active but that still run across a lot of sites with their themes and so forth in it and i |
| 52:13 |
see new stuff out there easy dnn solutions still strong doing |
| 52:19 |
exactly what you would expect of course i think they venture out into other markets as well they've been doing that |
| 52:25 |
for years anyway so um and dn charts probably the biggest change over the last two years they have |
| 52:32 |
limited their dnn only solutions to i think what is it action forms and |
| 52:39 |
one other i'm not a big user of their their stuff so i can't remember the details of it |
| 52:45 |
but they've been focusing on plant and app yeah which is a more of a sas solution you know for |
| 52:51 |
building out sites and you know kind of having widgets like mike was speaking of |
| 52:57 |
you know earlier to be able to kind of quickly and rapidly build solutions out and they have their own pricing |
| 53:03 |
model and so forth on that so you know that was a that was kind of a big shift for a lot of people that were using |
| 53:08 |
their their standalone modules uh just because they have kind of dropped the support for a lot of those |
| 53:15 |
things so a little bit of a little bit of a shift i get it yeah i spoke with |
| 53:20 |
bogdan a few few months if not uh a year a year and a half ago when |
| 53:26 |
they were going for this low codes no codes type of uh |
| 53:33 |
offering and he was in uh in san francisco looking for |
| 53:38 |
venture capital and i don't know where things are sitting right now but yeah he was very |
| 53:44 |
into uh you know trying to push this to become bigger and broader you know also |
| 53:52 |
okay didn't they they do kind of a crowd-sourced uh |
| 53:57 |
fundraising effort as well yeah yeah i think i think a lot of people in the dna community actually helps yeah i did too |
| 54:04 |
i threw some money at it i'm like why not i try you know yeah yeah it's cool it's it's an |
| 54:10 |
interesting solution and you know salesforce is just dominating that space and if and it makes sense that smaller |
| 54:17 |
players that can go after me the smaller companies that can't afford salesforce would go after that so yeah it's not not |
| 54:23 |
a bad idea yeah i think one of the other things in the the vendor market |
| 54:30 |
is we really don't have the case anymore of everybody and his brother selling dnn |
| 54:36 |
modules i mean it it really has coalesced down to the |
| 54:43 |
what less than half a dozen major vendors that uh |
| 54:49 |
yeah i would i would say don't go out of that space if you want to buy a module |
| 54:55 |
well a lot of that's driven by the marketplace that really sure sure doesn't exist yet well it exists but has |
| 55:02 |
not been maintained so you know there's still quite a bit of opportunity i'd say for someone that wants to kind of be in |
| 55:09 |
that in that space you know because i don't see that changing too much from from a court |
| 55:14 |
perspective i mean i could be wrong but but but it it has been a few years |
| 55:22 |
uh since a new face has come along and i think the the new face that has come along in the |
| 55:29 |
last few years uh is our friends from switzerland uh |
| 55:35 |
too sick too sexy um yeah this had a |
| 55:40 |
major impact on modules are they still still coming strong i |
| 55:47 |
mean going strong with their of their super duper module |
| 55:52 |
oh yeah yeah as far as i know yeah very strong they are doing things at a rate that most human beings cannot keep up |
| 55:59 |
with and i think they're also developing modules for octane yeah |
| 56:05 |
it's going to be advertised as hybrid now so it runs out yeah yeah i think version 13 |
| 56:11 |
uh will support both and they've got you know can you and can you can you move uh apps |
| 56:18 |
and content back and forth yes somebody |
| 56:23 |
yeah i yeah yep awesome it's completely portable as soon as i get export export fixed |
| 56:31 |
[Laughter] sorry daniel love you |
| 56:37 |
very good i i ran into an odd one with with import uh recently where |
| 56:46 |
one of the fields in my content item is that gps picker |
| 56:51 |
and that doesn't import well and i'm not sure why but it it only took an hour |
| 56:59 |
or two to fix it manually okay guys okay so i think that where i |
| 57:05 |
come to um torrent you know it's about it's just a little bit over one hour uh i'd like to |
| 57:13 |
go around again and see if there are any departing words from anyone if you want |
| 57:18 |
uh to share anything else from what's going on with you or you know i'll leave it up to anyone to review each and every |
| 57:25 |
one of you to say your final words and we wrap things up here so i guess that's scott let's start with you well hold on |
| 57:32 |
a second did did you guys do it do you remember addison talking about hit you know |
| 57:38 |
i didn't |
| 57:44 |
all right okay so it's teaching and you're a full you just became a fullstack.net developer yes yes okay |
| 57:52 |
yeah if we stack developer with react in the front end which again i hope that my boss forgive me i |
| 57:59 |
mean please don't don't fight me i hate to react i i just need to react so i'm a backhand i'm a backhand type of |
| 58:06 |
person well i i'm okay with react so that's what it is i'm okay with wreck i'll i like better i like angular better that's |
| 58:13 |
really it's yeah i'm stretched myself thinking on teaching |
| 58:18 |
uh 200 students at this this semester i'm up to my neck at teaching |
| 58:24 |
again working how are you a full stack developer and teaching that because i teach i teach in the |
| 58:30 |
evenings and weekends and i work through the days so here's my current |
| 58:36 |
frustration my current forces is that i'm only working right now i'm not doing |
| 58:41 |
anything more creative like i i stopped my podcasts because i didn't have time |
| 58:48 |
i stopped any creative endeavor at this point because of work and i i had to |
| 58:54 |
shift my priorities a little bit because and i told you that we would have a an over or is that an oversharing |
| 59:01 |
and over sharing segment so i'm gonna over share a little bit here just a little bit um so recently a few months ago i got |
| 59:08 |
divorced i got separated but not to force it but separated so things are still |
| 59:14 |
getting settled in my life so i said that i needed to step back a little bit and then get myself to work and so i'm |
| 59:20 |
working a lot and yeah that's been my i think no but it's all good i mean again i'm |
| 59:28 |
happy as a camper i'm it cannot be better than this no i can have nothing to complete really no |
| 59:35 |
nothing so is that enough scott is that enough for you that is right i think so it sounds |
| 59:42 |
like we could all use mike's smelters uh cloning future cloning |
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abilities in the future yeah well i'll i'll ask a question since |
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scott you introduced the r word into the conversation uh |
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retirement do any of i don't see anybody here |
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who strikes my mind of someone who's just going to go off into retirement and |
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play golf or or anything like that if i got you guys all pegged correctly |
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yeah we won't be the ruth bader ginsburg of dnn like you but yeah certainly i'm not i can't sit still like that oh duh |
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scott we have to get together personally so i can either do or punch you i don't i'm not |
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i that joke might not have landed because you know half of our audience is in canada but uh |
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yeah i'm just well |
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david's comment that uh microsoft is promising to support.net |
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over a much longer time frame than uh.net core uh i wish i had a guarantee of that kind |
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of support over the time periods but hey they've got it in writing so |
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i don't know how much more of a guarantee you want there joe yeah you cannot get you cannot get uh |
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better guaranteed than that you know uh retirement uh i don't know i'm |
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45 so still looking forward to do a bunch of stuff again i don't know i don't know how long |
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for how long i'll have the energy that i have right now but uh you know what just |
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trying to check along they're trying to you know one day at a time you know hey i just turned the big 5-0 oh you did |
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so yeah yeah but i i'm i'm aiming for a retirement at 55 but what that means for |
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me is on to the next phase of life that's right yes which will be what david |
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dave my oldest daughter is older than you i know |
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okay joe did you start at what five ten i mean what is that |
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did i what you did you had your first at five years old um |
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23. okay yeah see back in biblical times they we used to have kids very much younger at a |
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younger age see um yeah um |
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i was 23 she is now in fifth she's now 52 do the math |
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yeah three quarters wow anyway and |
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i can tell you um that's probably nothing to fear |
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i mean you know i grew up in the period of time where people had |
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their midlife crises at age 40. um |
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i have a granddaughter who will be 30 this summer um |
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you know we don't have and that then we won't have to trust her anymore |
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i got it my gosh what would be what would be that retirement's vision in five years what is that what |
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what does that look like it doesn't um and |
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it it it may be hereditary um |
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my dad had certainly slowed down the consulting |
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that he was doing but he was still working |
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up until almost the time that he died |
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and i think my next milestone is do i out |
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with my father but uh that's another deal but be for sure now david |
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how does that look like in five years yours because you said that in five years you plan to you know calm down |
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what is that how does that look like well i think uh yeah go ahead i'm like you guys |
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i can't sit still so i have to be doing something um i've been slowly but surely |
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ramping up over the last couple of years you know ever since i mean i think covet had this impact on a lot of people you |
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know just being kind of been up and in in a single place for so long you think okay well what can i do from here |
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um i i like the idea of being a content creator not to to make a lot of money or |
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anything like that but really just i enjoy that kind of process you know of just sharing things so i've been |
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learning a lot about that and that's ultimately what i kind of want to do i've started the dnn dave channel as |
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a testing ground uh you know for that just have not been consistent with it yet |
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but slowly but surely getting all my gear together and things like that so i |
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i kind of want to do things like that and really focus on open source and things that i'm passionate about you |
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know just doing that kind of thing um we'll see if the business uh can |
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can operate without so creatives here lots of creative scott creative dave creative i have my creative plans as |
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well you know so again creation i i love that love that um |
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let's see let's see so so again scott you you interrogated me a little bit there that we did i missed the final |
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rounds i did i did no i did miss the final round so again let's let's wrap things up unless scott you have |
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follow-ups but again let's start with you scott do you want to wrap up uh no i mean i i think um |
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looking forward for me it's kind of same same like dave keep doing content creation do my fix it scotty stuff all i |
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want is to do the work i want to do but not have to work that's the oh that's that's what |
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retirement looks like for me it's still working full-time but not half having to work full-time that's it and and so i |
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still will but uh yeah eventually i'll probably get back to a dnn conference or something i mean the last one was |
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giffords uh because he he twisted my arm to do it so i did that during the |
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pandemic but um i think i'll i'll eventually get back just just to hang out and stuff so |
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yeah but that's i i like what i'm doing and and i'm just gonna keep doing it so yeah |
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scott maybe we'll we'll get to go back to switzerland at some point oh my gosh yes |
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yeah especially dnn connect i want to get back there they're all good |
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melo that's great too mike what's up final words |
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yeah um kind of what the whatever else has mentioned i'm trying to figure out what |
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what does retirement look like eventually and i think it's i think you guys just just nailed it it's it's you know |
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not having to to work all the time to do what you want to do and you know next next little while |
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is just trying to continue down that path and um you know we love sailing my wife and i |
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and over the last couple of years uh being locked up at home working on the computer all the time i i've you know |
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figured out that i've had some other hobbies um my friends have given me the nickname the tailored tradesman because i |
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wear my work shirts like every day of the week and i will you know just walk away from the computer |
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and go start you know ripping down a wall uh building some stuff at home we've been uh well i what our family has but |
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i've been doing a lot of labor uh we've been renovating our house top to bottom uh so we live in a bit of a bit of a |
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construction zone in the last little while but we're on the the tail end of that which is awesome and oh yeah just |
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uh exploring more more stuff i i love my technology but also away from my technology a bit as well and uh |
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you know see what that takes me that's how it started for me mike i'll see you in 10 years well you got me uh you got |
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me thinking of electric cars uh because because we've been thinking about a second car um |
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because my wife is a school teacher works at the house and i'm kind of trapped now in my house um without good |
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transportation so you know i like electric car and i never thought about making one so maybe there's my next uh my next hobby i got a |
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big garage for it it only takes like four years it's easy four years okay but no problem okay maybe like a motorbike |
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or something that'll strengthen down a little bit i can see some collabs happening here |
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you know everybody with youtube channels and collab going across each other's channels |
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mike and scotty's nft fix-its yeah yeah we'll do an nft that's right |
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all right you can show me how to get started that sounds good yeah we'll do joe |
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and again i'm pointing to joe because in my screen he's here joe your time your turn there final words |
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and i mean it fine awards find them i need it i i have a goal |
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and it's to be in the same room with the four of you at some point awesome goal i'm all for that all about |
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that all for that love that david's final words here oh i thought i already gave mine |
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uh what could i say live long and prosper |
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okay nick that's original i'm pretty sure yeah she just came up with that that's |
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amazing just like that okay okay everyone uh guys again so good |
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to have you guys here uh thank you joe for sending me the mail about a week two |
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weeks ago you know just to chit chat and it inspired me to say hey you know what |
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maybe it's time for us to get together again i used to love having uh us together on |
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monthly basis i used to look forward to that again things changed life and we have to |
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keep going you have to carry on but i see that we can we can do this kind of stuff you know let's say every two years |
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every two years why not until until someone at least until someone doesn't show up oh okay |
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what happened let me tell you where that email came from um |
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uh in 2018 uh |
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i would talk about the clown thing yes no i went to a college reunion |
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and uh in the fall and at christmas time i got |
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a phone call from one of the guys that i saw at the reunion we had not been really close but that he said hey |
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just calling to say merry christmas happy new year whatever i hate writing christmas cards |
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and if i'm going to write somebody a christmas card and not say anything i'd rather spend that five or ten minutes |
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talking on the phone so that kind of percolated and two years |
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ago i started making calls at christmas and |
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i just throw that out as something you know that um it's real easy to lose touch with people even in these days |
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where we can see them but i've gotten i've had in particular in |
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covid times uh really enjoyed talking to people that i haven't talked to in |
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years that's that's how it started it's it's it's nice |
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to see people or talk to people uh that you |
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haven't talked to in a while and this counts as a a a nice experience of course of course |
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joe yeah yes again i think so much joe for bringing that idea up and we are |
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here today and hopefully if you are one of the ten people that will be watching this and i cannot count on you because |
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i'll be watching this you're gonna watch it those guys would talk too much but the idea of getting together you know |
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even on the phone or what with people you haven't done that with for a while |
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you know it's a i think it's a great idea pass it on it is no it is definitely guys again |
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thanks so much for making the time taking the time i know scott that you have to do a house call wish me luck i |
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gotta get a boiler working again we'll see are you gonna film it |
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ah it's probably gonna be boring so i filmed it before okay so you need that crew to go if you film it and you add it |
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afterwards and you make it interesting i already have a film of this boiler working on it from a few months ago so |
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if you go back like four or five videos it is the the seller in this house is |
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the most disgusting thing so you will not be envious of what i'm about to do here it is nasty |
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so it can be one of those things so you should not watch this yeah don't watch |
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this i actually use the opening you remember indiana jones and the temple of doom when they're going through the cave |
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and they're opening the cobwebs they're set thick i actually put that scene in my video because that's how i felt |
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walking into his face it's so nasty scotty gets beamed up to where yeah |
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guys again we'll catch up thanks so much have a good one every one of you and again we |
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will do catch up okay we're definitely cheers guys take care take care guys |
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bye |