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hello hello alex oliver here this says the reunion of the dnn monthly chats or |
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as my buddy joe says whatever happened to those clowns |
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and for with me i have joe craig scott wilkinson mike meltzer and a special |
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guest dave poindexter um let's start i guess that before we |
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catch up before each one of us has a chance to to talk about our own stuff |
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i think that it's fair to start with the with with the common grounds of what |
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brought us all together initially and still is our i'd say our linchpin let's |
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put it this way about the union you know let's let's talk a little bit about dean let's start there before before we go around |
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and for that topic it's one of the the reasons why i have |
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this special guest here because i know that our special guest is still very connected to the community |
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and i would like to invite to ask david how is everything in |
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let dna see um let me kind of look at a few sites here real quick anderson i don't know |
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i can i can step back i can be more specific what has been happening with dnn |
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you can you can pick the time frame but my curiosity is about the last two and a half years because |
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we have stopped doing the recordings and been more active at least myself in the past two and a half years so |
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mid 2019 again i don't expect you to record oh mid 2019 it was just like this |
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but think about the recent i'd say the recent months and how are things |
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doing with dna well first of all i think things are going really great i was just joking by the way |
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i feel like really you know i guess there's different aspects of it there's the technical aspect of it |
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and i can touch on that for just a second but you know really at a 30 000 foot level i think |
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you know you remember i don't know maybe four years ago or so um we were all wondering |
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is dn going to live is it dying is you know what is going on you know what what |
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should we should we be looking elsewhere you know i mean it was a common conversation right |
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um it shifted big time you know it took a long time |
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to really shift but it has shifted and it's been in a what i would call the last two years has been a more stable |
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state um because from a technology standpoint there's been constant releases |
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a stability of the platform security has been top of mind so you |
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know getting us to a point to where we're really more stable as a platform |
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and um have more confidence in utilizing it on sites |
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and the community i think is actually growing |
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um that's maybe a bit of a stretch you know from |
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probably because i hear a lot more um you know behind the scenes people talking and things like that but it's |
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like there's there seems to be people coming out of the woodwork that |
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were either a part of the platform a long time ago you know or the community a long time ago and have now found |
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themselves attracted back in because of that stability and that focus on security |
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or they uh you know there's new people that have landed in a job that they've inherited aside or something like that i |
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mean i've just seen a lot of activity that just was not there you know four |
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years ago at least we didn't know about it right um so i'm encouraged at the state of dnn |
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you know and where things are got it's got again guys feel free to drill david there but i i have a |
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follow-up here david is that question of oh are we moving to core are we not |
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moving to court is that question still relevant or not no that's not really relevant anymore i |
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mean of course it may be in some people's minds but we i guess it was |
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maybe a little over a year ago maybe a year and a half ago now we have actually published a few blogs |
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out there um mitch sellers and myself published a blog that really |
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was kind of a recognition of who we are and who we're going to be who we're not |
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going to be and that conversation really it wasn't really a decision that we made |
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per se it was really a decision that was made for us by microsoft just because of |
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the path that they took with net core and some of the things that we would not |
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have the option of doing like we hoped or thought originally |
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for some of that so um it was really just let's put this conversation to rest because it's |
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distracting you know we can't it's it's a solid platform as it is |
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on asp.net and asp.net has a longer you know life cycle than net core just |
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because of the way things work you know it's it's a much faster paced |
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framework so you know it was really just a coming coming to ourselves recognizing who we |
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are and who we're gonna be who we're not gonna be and just moving forward with that embracing that |
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you know maybe there's a path in the future i mean there's other projects that are on net core that are succeeding |
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and doing really well i mean our friends sean walker you know in octane they're doing well you know it's still early in |
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that game but that's what that platform is we're not that |
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you know so just recognizing that and if somebody really wants that they could go there you know and |
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explore that in in again i'm even though i'm into the microsoft space |
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but i don't know the nitty-gritty details the ins and outs of for example if we look at |
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asp.net does microsoft promise or there is really a long-term |
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vision for asp.net i mean a long term at the very least maintenance of asp.net |
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do you know that i mean i would say so it's much longer than the vision that they state for net core i mean |
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we have to be careful when reading that stuff you know because it doesn't mean that things are going to |
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end at that point it just means we're going to have support at least to that point |
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and that goal post is much further down the pike you know for |
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asp.net than it is.net core okay so we're gonna we're gonna go back to you david in a second again i want to |
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go back to a few more points about dna but i want to give a chance first of all |
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to see if anyone has any pointers back to david for about the end but i'm going to reconnect with dna again there are a |
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few other topics that i want you to get david's opinion anyone for david this point |
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well that was easy okay that's what makes sense okay so uh scott let's start with you then |
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tell me what you have been up to in the last two years again just recapping oh boy we have stopped this |
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uh for two and a half years now you know mid-2019 so |
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tell me what's new what's wonderful what's happening with you professionally let's not go personal yet |
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you know i have a segment for personal but professional you know oh professionally okay well uh it's hard to |
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it's hard to uh uncouple the two for me but okay um because my personal stuff will |
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be professional i guess you know that and that and vice versa but i |
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i left uh around this time last year uh i left blue bowl but i didn't really leave so for the |
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developers out there i did a soft leave or whatever you want to call it so i |
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still i still have like a perpetual contract with them and do some consulting but um |
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yeah i don't know i just i just felt like i needed a little more um a little more room to do personal |
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projects and other things like that but um i i uh so i you know you guys know i started |
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that youtube channel which you know is a kind of a side a little hobby thing but that hobby is kind of you know |
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eventually going to be my uh probably my um retirement pre-retirement |
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job that's what i'm i'm i'm working up to my pre-retirement that's how that's how it's going to work now from |
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now on you don't just retire you you work up to a pre-retirement career and then you use that |
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to retire off of the launch pads as a lunch pad you know launch pad of retirement and and if you guys know me i |
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i like like adderson i can't sit still so it's not like i'm gonna just sit around golfing |
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uh but i did some consulting i actually got a contract last year doing initially |
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doing dnn and azure stuff and then it morphed into salesforce so |
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the reason why you haven't heard from me in the dna community lately is because i'm kind of now a full-time sales force |
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developer uh so that's just kind of ended up |
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happening but um uh now i'm working full-time at a contract for a uh |
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an insurance company in in chicago uh that doing salesforce development but i'm i'm working from home but eventually |
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i want to get to the point where i'm not i love my my hermann miller chair don't get me wrong but uh my issue is i don't |
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like sitting for eight hours a day and i'm trying to get out of that so eventually |
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maybe i'll be doing more of my youtube type stuff you know |
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and and and develop doing that kind of stuff as well as software development but for now i'm |
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still a fourth time software developer i haven't gone completely insane yet despite the way i look so so |
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that's been it okay so when you talk about salesforce and then you find |
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i'm saying not a similar community but did you find a community there that you can hang on that you can |
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chat that you can talk i mean did you find that kind of a thing there and salesforce oh there definitely is |
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there's a huge community and sub communities and meetups and all that other stuff i haven't really worked into |
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it i don't know it's it's not really my dnn i i |
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felt like i needed to because it's an open source project and and and and it's |
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fun and and it's and that's what i wanted to do but for salesforce it's just so big and i don't know i my my |
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attitude now is i want to you know i want to do a good job because i always want to do a good i want to do good for |
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the company i work for but my vested interest in salesforce is not what my interest in dnm |
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it's not the same awesome awesome okay we're going to go come back to you but but we're going to |
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explore that youtube channel in a second i'm very curious about that let's let's go around |
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uh let's go mike let's go what's up two last two years actually you know |
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something that i forgot to me to to to add to the conversation as well is covet |
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has happened in the last two years now at this point in time so again a big part of our last two and a half |
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years was within the context of covet so mike again last two years what's up |
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where where dnn is in your life at this point where are you yeah um |
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i guess from that from a dnn standpoint like i'm uh i'm not involved nearly as much as i i have in the last few years |
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in using dna professionally or or from a community aspect you know to your point like when when government |
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happened a few years ago that was um i was at dna summit i believe like a week before two |
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before that and that was a you know great conference has made a lot of |
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networking and new people that i've never met before and then boom we had uh had a pandemic happen |
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and at the time you know i was um i do consulting uh i have been for last |
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uh you know eight or nine years and um all of a sudden you know all kinds of you know companies i've been |
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working with were going a different direction right like hey the world's flipping upside down you know we're not |
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to do that project now we're not going to go down this path right now a lot of things started to kind of come to a halt |
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and um i also had a little girl who's now three and uh my attention started getting |
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pulled in in different directions and trying to figure out what to do um so i had to pivot a couple years ago and |
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you know most my customers are local local customers um here in canada and i started doing uh |
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custom like custom.net apps not not on dnn but just kind of you know |
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native vanilla you know.net solutions for some of our local government uh entities |
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here and that ended up you know going down another path being for the last two years of building a solutions to help um |
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to help governments get out of um or you know digitally transform you know take manual |
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processes and put them online and uh and improve things and then you know maybe |
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four or five different projects i think kind of just end to end started you know going over that and |
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yeah when you have a little kid and you're working all the time it's hard to fit in much more |
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that's very true virtue you know guys i have to say the other day a few months ago i sent a you know a very interesting |
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job opportunity for our friend mike and he said man thank you but no thank you no i mean i'm |
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too busy i don't need anything else right now you know kind of like snobbish |
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but that's why that's why i'm joking about it yeah no no i don't hear you it's uh i i've uh i've been |
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fortunate the last last last little while that there's been a lot of a lot of work coming coming our |
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way uh locally and uh more and more like i work independently um and then also do |
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some subcontracting um but you know more than more than we have resources to take |
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on which is you know the lost opportunity um but you know i t is booming in a lot of |
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places i think and i wish i could clone myself yes i know i know the feeling like okay |
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mike again coming back to you in a second but let's go for |
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i don't know should i say the godfather i mean is that is that what scribe godfather you know kiss the ring you |
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know i kind of kind of think you know again joe how are you doing tell me about the last two years come on |
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well that that was a nice way of saying the old guy uh um yeah like mike uh you know my my last |
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story into the real world was dnn summit in orlando |
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and i came home uh |
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and i think i went to the uh i i think i came home on on thursday night |
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uh went to the office on friday and never went back |
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yeah that's kind of a dramatic reading of it i mean for you know i've been |
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working a lot from home doing my dnn consulting but uh |
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so last fall i actually made a |
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a change uh and uh have a full-time employer |
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uh in uh the dnn world um |
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um and i you know and in the modern world you don't actually work for the company |
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that you're working for you know there's a there's a third party involved that pays your salary and sells |
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your body uh but you but you tend to forget that you don't work for those well it's |
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called it's all it can also be called a pimp you know but that's fine that's okay yeah yeah so um so i'm actually |
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working for a uh large company uh |
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and you would recognize some of the names of the people uh involved in that |
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company and i was actually uh when i interviewed for the job uh i |
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was interviewed by the godfather of our world |
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and um uh the team that i joined was in the |
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midst of some uh changes he has uh |
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people rolling off and people coming in and yet several months later |
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uh we actually have a team that's that's |
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got some impressive dnn experience the job the job is working on uh |
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an enterprise level set of dnn things and like everybody in the world is |
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involved in it uh but uh yeah i probably since we're we are |
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recording this right or whatever and i won't mention uh names and companies |
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and things like that but um uh yeah it's it's really interesting uh |
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as as this team has developed somebody deserves some credit for going out and |
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hiring some really good |
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uh experienced talent in the dnn field you know so i'm i'm really excited about |
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that um yeah i used to work at the low end |
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you know small small customers uh small things uh you |
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know a small to medium-sized company's website |
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and i'm now working on websites that have presences from |
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new england to texas to california yeah um uh |
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so it's it's i'm seeing it i'm seeing a different uh uh side of things and and and that's |
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interesting uh meanwhile i'm waiting for scott to get his uh van |
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electrified so yeah it's it's yeah and |
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uh all of this done from the chair that i'm sitting in right now |
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so um my wife and i have not heard one another |
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it will be nice at some point to actually be able to see children and grandchildren again uh |
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although we we back in june i'm getting into the personal yes yes |
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i'll stop that so professionally yeah i'm still very heavily involved in dnn |
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and involved in the side of the dnn uh universe that's |
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quite different than what i have done before okay okay so joe i have i have a |
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question i'm really curious i think that you can help me here you can really help me here uh |
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i er i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna be as |
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subtle or tactical touching this subject as possible but it boils down to age it |
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boils down to reinventing yourself so i'll be honest with you i'm very |
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i'm very i'm in a way worried about how long how how much energy and for how long |
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do i have energy to keep in this space you know and sometimes i think that by 55 i'm going to be dragging myself in |
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like on the ground i'll be crawling i'm not even just sleep anymore my question |
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is how can you keep up the the interests the motivation |
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uh the energy level with technology that you have and again |
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feel free to reveal what where you are i don't want to be the one doing that but |
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